An old version of Pro Tools and Logic Pro 9 are the DAWs available to me at the moment and what I've been using, and I tend to find that I prefer the general audio quality of Pro Tools but find that the synths etc aren't always as easily customisable in things like Xpand, etc to the level that Logic can provide. It is generally accepted that Logic Studio is better for the creative side of making music, while Pro Tools is better for the tracking music (recording and editing). Before Pro Tools 8 was released, Logic certainly had better MIDI recording and editing features than Pro Tools. Jul 20, 2013 The major pro is that Logic has most of the plugins I use available at launch. Pro Tools 11 doesn't have many at all at the moment. Still like Pro Tools for editing and mixing better. Logic is awesome for composing music. I still see myself needing both. Hopefully down the road I can just pick one.
In this piece, industry consultant Bobby Borg sat down to chat with Maurizio Otto De Togni about the comparative advantages and disadvantages between Avid’s Pro Tools, and Apple’s Logic Pro.
Guest post by Bobby Borg of the Disc Makers Blog
Logic Vs Pro Tools Forum
Musician, author, educator, and music industry consultant Bobby Borg talks with Maurizio Otto De Togni to compare Avid’s Pro Tools software with Apple’s Logic Pro based on price, usability, and compatibility. Excerpted from the video, “Pro Tools Versus Logic? Which Home Recording Software is Better?”
Bobby Borg: The topic for my discussion today is Pro Tools versus Logic, and we’ll break that down into three areas:
- Price
- Learning curve, and
- Standardization
I’ve got Maurizio Otto De Togni with me, he’s an Avid-certified Pro Tools expert instructor, an Apple-certified Logic Pro X trainer, and a music-maker and audio technologist.
So, when it comes to home recording equipment, there’s still a debate as to which is the better platform, Avid’s Pro Tools or Apple’s Logic Pro, and here to help us settle the score is the go-to expert in Hollywood. So let’s go ahead and start with price. Which of these programs is cheaper, because a lot of the independent artists out there are on tight budgets, so this is an important factor.
Maurizio De Togni: Price is crucial for everybody, whether you’re working with a small or big budget. When it comes to purchase price, if you want to just own the software, at the end of the day, Logic is less expensive — and is actually it’s the only option you have. When it comes to leasing or renting, that’s the new-school trend for this kind of software, Logic gives you all the options: you can buy or you can lease it long-term. It’s going to cost you more with Pro Tools, you can’t buy it, but you can pay little-by-little — it’s as low as $10 a month, I believe, with a student or academic discount. When it comes to Apple (Logic), there are no discounts, it’s just one price for everybody — it’s less than $20 a month.
Bobby Borg: OK — there are more options with Pro Tools, but in the end, Pro Tools is the more expensive product.
Maurizio De Togni: Yes.
Bobby Borg: So, let’s move on to the learning curve. Which one is easier to learn? Of course, I ask this question because a lot of the independent artists out there will be excited to get the software uploaded and get right to work. They want to start creating and they don’t want to deal with headaches and tech stuff.
Maurizio De Togni: The learning curves, as I like to say to my clients and students and anyone I’m coaching/mentoring, are on opposite ends of the spectrum. When it comes to Logic, you can upload to the computer and in an hour or so, you can play around with it and get things out of it. Of course, you might want some formal training, but you can move around relatively quickly at the very beginning. Then, of course, as you want to go deeper, get more professional, it gets more challenging and more complicated.
When it comes to Pro Tools, it’s the opposite. You upload the software and then after an hour, a day, a week, you’re still at square one. It’s a story I hear from all my clients and students: you can’t start using it without formal training. There’s a lot of pain, it’s like walking through the woods and dealing with mosquitos and you don’t know where you’re going, but you continue day after day and then you emerge on this beautiful beach. This paradise is your reward — it’s like a long-term relationship. You get married with Pro Tools, Logic is an easy-going guy, you can get along with easily, even if it’s for one night.
Bobby Borg: OK, so the last point is standardization. Which software is going to be easier to communicate with and speak with the rest of the world, you know with other producers with other industry professionals? I’ll make an analogy with word processing programs… when it comes to Microsoft Word compared to something like iWorks’ Pages, I’d say Pages is much easier to use and manipulate, but when you go to intern or when you go to work, businesses are more likely going to ask you to understand and use Word, so it behooves you to know how to use it. Is it similar to what we’re talking about Pro Tools and Logic?
Bobby Borg: OK, so the last point is standardization. Which software is going to be easier to communicate with and speak with the rest of the world, you know with other producers with other industry professionals? I’ll make an analogy with word processing programs… when it comes to Microsoft Word compared to something like iWorks’ Pages, I’d say Pages is much easier to use and manipulate, but when you go to intern or when you go to work, businesses are more likely going to ask you to understand and use Word, so it behooves you to know how to use it. Is it similar to what we’re talking about Pro Tools and Logic?
Maurizio De Togni: Very similar. I would say Apple’s Logic is like the iWork Pages software and Pro Tools is the Microsoft Word in this analogy. In terms of cross-platform compatibility, Pro Tools works on a Mac, Apple, PC, it doesn’t matter. Logic only works on a Mac, which might be a limitation for some people. And in the end it’s a matter of, as you said, which is the most spoken language? And we could even throw in another competitor, Ableton Live. So let’s consider English, Spanish, and Chinese languages. In business, you can go pretty far knowing any of these languages, but once you know English, especially in the Americas, you can’t go wrong. At the end of the day, Pro Tools is your main language — no offense to the others.
Bobby Borg: No, of course not. It just makes it makes sense. If you’re going to communicate broadly, Pro Tools is the more universal choice. You made a great comparison when we spoke on the phone the other day. You said, if we were comparing a Lamborghini and a Mercedes, we might say the Lamborghini is a more sophisticated, better car, but it’s also not the most practical choice for your day-to-day driving. So, in this example, Pro Tools might be more advanced and more sophisticated, but for the independent artists out there, it may not be the most practical choice.
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Maurizio De Togni: Yeah, you’re not going to go to the grocery store in a Lamborghini, I’d go with the Mercedes. And, in the end, it doesn’t sound like a compromise at all because a Mercedes is still more than a decent car — so we’re saying you can’t go wrong.
There’s lots more… watch the entire conversation!
Bobby Borg is the author of Music Marketing For The DIY Musician (Second Edition), Business Basics For Musicians (Second Edition), and The Five Star Music Makeover (published by Hal Leonard Books). Get these books at any fine online store in both physical or digital format. Learn more at www.bobbyborg.com.
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As the DAW market continues to expand, and the tools available for home recording enthusiasts become more accessible, it’s easy to be overwhelmed by the number of options available.
We’re here to try and help you with that. And today, we’re going to look at a couple of the long-standing stalwarts of digital music production: Logic Pro and Pro Tools. If you’ve been looking to invest in some software for recording music, you’ve unquestionably encountered these two names.
Both do similar things, both have great respect in audio engineering circles, and both cross the line from hobbyist software into something a little bit more serious.
As far as recording software goes, this is premium level stuff. It’s for people who need to know a little bit what they’re doing.
Bottom Line Up Front Summary: If you are just getting started with DAW tools, I’d recommend starting with the more user friendly Pro Tools here.
Main Differences Between Logic Pro vs Pro Tools
The main differences between Logic Pro and Pro Tools are:
- Pro Tools is more industry-standard, whereas Logic Pro is popular with musicians
- Pro Tools offers a Free Trial, whereas Logic Pro does not
- Pro Tools offers flexible Yearly , Monthly, or one time paid plans, whereas Logic Pro offers a 1-time $199 fee
So, let’s start looking at these two products in a bit more detail.
Say hi to Logic Pro
The first version of Logic Pro was called Notator Logic, and it was released all the way back in 1993. It was developed by a company called C-Lab, who later became Emagic.
The first five versions of Logic were available on both Mac and Windows. However, in 2002, Apple announced that they had bought the software, and starting with Logic 6, it would only be available on Mac OS. This, of course, annoyed the Windows users: it’s never been established how much business was lost over the matter, but sales of the Mac version have continued to increase.
Logic Pro is now in its tenth edition, which they’ve called Logic Pro X, because Xs are cool. It’s come a long way from its starts a sequencer for Atari.
Say hi to Pro Tools
Pro Tools is celebrating its 30th birthday this year, so happy birthday to you!
Pro Tool first appeared as Sound Designer, created by two Berkeley graduates in 1984. The following year – 1985 – they were offering downloadable features for the software.
Remember… this was in 1985!
It became Sound Tools in 1989, and was renamed Pro Tools in 1991. That first Pro Tools cost a whopping $6,000! It’s hailed as the first digital multitrack recording software, which makes it funny to think that something that originally cost so much led to something you can now get online for free!
One of its interesting claims to fame is that Ricky Martin’s Livin’ La Vida Loca was the first number one single to have been entirely recorded, edited, and mixed in Pro Tools. So that’s kind of cool, I guess?
Pricing options
Logic Pro
Logic Pro X is available for $199 as an app from the Mac App Store. Apple antivirus free. And that’s that. There are no other pricing options. There were no discounts for individuals upgrading from the previous version, which is unusual in DAW version progression and pricing. There doesn’t seem to be any discounts for education or anything, another unusual aspect for commercial, high-end DAWs.
You may have noticed that I only mentioned the Mac App Store? Yeah, Logic Pro isn’t available for Windows or Linux or anything. I’m sure I’ll return to that point a little later. There ends the discussion of Logic Pro’s pricing options.
Pro Tools
Pro tools have a little more variety on offer in terms of purchase options. Firstly, it’s available for both Mac and PC – double-ish the market potential, right off the bat. Secondly, similarly to many software packages, it has various price points to make it as accessible as possible to as many people as possible, with some variations on the features across each one. It currently runs a tiered, freemium pricing system.
The first tier is totally free forever, but obviously has restrictions. The main one being that you can only record up to 16 tracks, it includes 23 plugins and includes 3.1 GB of sounds. The next tier up cost $24.92 per month. With that, you can record between 32 and 128 track of music in the sequencer, depending on the kHz settings. You also get up to 128 auxiliary tracks, and you can now play with video.
Only one video, but it’s a start. The included sounds also gets bumped to 5.4 GB. That’s not an insignificant jump from the free version. And finally, the top tier. That’ll set you back $83.25 per month. Here, you can record up to 256 tracks in a project! Woah! I feel like that’s for orchestral arrangements, and maybe big choirs. It’s probably a bit unnecessary for your average Joe Schmoe home recording enthusiast, but, I guess it’s good to know that it’s there?
If you’re a video enthusiast, this is probably the tier for you though, as it allows up to 64 video tracks. The main thing you’ll notice across the increasing tiers is the capacity of each one. In addition to the regular tiers, the creators of Pro Tools haven’t forgotten the world’s underfunded education sector, and offer a discounted range just for that.
For the education version, if your budget will let you pay for it all upfront for a year, it’ll work out at $8.25 per month – that’s $99 for a whole year. Yeah, I know: all the home recording enthusiasts on a budget are now checking if their teacher friends can blag them this discounted version.
If you need to convince your school’s budget holder of the value before they’ll commit to a year, you could try paying monthly for $9.99 per month, just for a month or two to demonstrate its value. And it may be difficult to get this last education option at your first proposal, but for $299, you’ll get a perpetual license to use Pro Tools for educational purposes. That means no annual renewals, and not asking for money every year. That’s a sweet deal.
Features
OK, these are primarily aimed at very serious home users, and professional producers, so either of these will do an awful lot… not all of it making for a particularly riveting read. It might be easier to run through what they both do, and then give specifics about what they highlight as their selling points?
So, both Logic Pro and Pro Tools will…
- Give you a professional sequencer
- Allow multi-track recording
- Allow use of a full range of plugins and VSTs that you get through purchase or for free ones
- Need a relatively powerful computer to avoid lag and swearing
- Allow you some pretty tight editing
- WIll work perfectly well for mixing and mastering
- Come with a lot of automated features
- Depend on the room that you’re recording in – every room sounds different
- Depend on the output hardware you’re using – I’m talking monitors and headphone here
- Depend on your own ears and knowledge and skills as a producer to make the output sound good
- Depend on your ability to put good sounds in to be able to get better sounds out – as my first producer told me: “You can’t polish a turd”
I think that heads off the generalizations about both products. Now, let’s see if we can pick out some unique identifiers for them…
Logic Pro
Well, the elephant in the room of unique identifiers here is that Logic Pro is only available for Mac. This isn’t the time or the place for PC Vs Mac debates, so I’ll leave it at that, just as a point of information. That aside, here’s a list of the things that Logic Pro highlight as being important:
- Smart Tempo: this means that it’ll automate the timing of your tracks; gone are the days where you start by playing to a click – now can just do what you feel, and it’ll match you
- Brushes: this is for using brushes or drums kits designed for brushes, rather than sticks, to give that gentler sound for jazz or roots
- Logic Remote: this turns your iPhone or iPad into a remote device for tweaking your tracks, or using as a virtual instrument
- Plug-ins: they’re particularly proud of their ChromaVerb reverb, and the Vintage EQ collection
- Flex Time: lets you move the form to the correct beat without having to cut the sample – that’s super-useful!
- Flex Pitch: this lets you tweak the parameters of a note within the sample – helpful if there’s just one note that’s slightly off
Pro Tools
So, as noted earlier, one of Pro Tools’ unique identifiers is that it has versions for both Windows and Mac. Again, I’m just leaving that statement there. I’m not getting into it. Now, looking for a comparable but unique list of features is tricky with Pro Tools, and I’m not sure if that’s because their marketing copy isn’t as sharp or what, but I’ll do what I can with what I’ve got.
Here are the main things – and yes, there will be similarities to what you read in the last section.
- Project Revisions: Not sure if the take you’re listening to was the right one? Drop a different take in on the fly and see if it’s working better
- Pro Tools | Control: An official app to let you control things from your phone
- QuickPunch Recording: Lets you quickly replace a mistake, as if it never happened
- Plug-ins: Yeah, it includes an awful lot of stuff to help further shape the sounds you’re working with
- Cloud Collaboration: Now, that’s a cool one; you can easily connect with other Pro Tools users who might want in on your creative action, or you can get in on theirs
- Artist Community: The best way to describe it is as a private social network for you and other Pro Tools users
- Elastic Time: Lets you quickly adjust the tempo of your project
- Elastic Pitch: Lets you quickly and easily fix bum notes
Usability
Apple Logic Vs Pro Tools 11
I’m actually not going to dwell on this one too much. Here’s the thing – and it goes for pretty much all of the different categories of computer software available – when you can use one DAW, you can pretty much use all of them.
The processes and outputs are identical; it’s just a matter of figuring out what’s different in the user interfaces. In DAWs, particularly with Logic Pro and Pro Tools, the debate of which one is more usable is as contentious as debating Mac Vs PC. Not just contentious, but ultimately, kind of pointless.
Apple Logic Vs Pro Tools Ultimate
Both Logic Pro and Pro Tools are just as usable as each other, to the point where it’s not worth splitting into sections. Most producers will have started using one or the other, and just stick with it, I guess just for simple comfort with the familiar. I don’t think there’s anything unreasonable about that.
However, it might be of use to speak to that usability. I would say that with either Logic Pro or Pro Tools, they both have an intimidating amount of features for a newbie. Where do you even start? A common complaint on Reddit on the matter is that even tutorials about either product are barely intelligible, and are too long.
But, you’ve got to start somewhere if you want to be a professional someday. In this respect, I think just getting stuck in and making mistakes is the best way to get to grips with the usability of high-end DAWs that try and cram in a lot of functionality.
If you get stuck, it’s highly unlikely that you’re the first person, so a solution is more than likely just a Google away. I’ve mentioned Mac Vs PC a few times throughout this review. It stands to reason that if you’re already a PC user, you won’t want to buy a whole new machine, so it stands to reason that you’ll go with Pro Tools. There. That’s your decision made, and now you can go with it.
If you’re a Mac user, you likely enjoy the exclusivity of stuff that’s only available on the operating system, so you’ll probably lean towards Logic Pro. Congratulations. Both of you are using software that’s just as usable, and just as confusing to beginners, as the other is. Let’s all relax.
Conclusion
Logic Pro
Logic Pro is a slick piece of kit. Its general feel is that it’s aimed at Mac loyalists. Mostly because that’s the only platform it’s available on. The Smart Tempo is a cool feature, but, like many other pieces of digital innovation in music, it begs the question: does it reduce the skill required to be a good musician?
Consistent timing is a key part of editing music: it’s impossible and infuriating to try it otherwise. To date, and with lower cost DAWs, you did achieve this on your records by having your drummer play along with a click track, and the rest of the band followed the drummer.
That’s literally how making a record worked. The timing, and therefore the ease of editing was the drummer’s responsibility. Now, it seems like that doesn’t even matter anymore. Much like what AutoTune did with vocals.
Pro Tools
Just by the fact that it’s available for both Windows and Mac implies a lot more flexibility on Pro Tool’s part. Add in the tiered pricing approach that starts with a free version, and the fact that they offer discounts to schools and teachers, and it basically comes across as more appealing.
In saying that, the flexible pricing doesn’t do anything in terms of its functionality: you’re not getting a dumbed down version, and you’ll still need a significant amount of time figuring it out if you’re starting from scratch.
The free tier is useful though, especially for newbies, and it’ll certainly act as a gentle introduction to some of the more technical terminology in music production.
Logic Pro | Pro Tools | |
Pricing | $199.99 | Freemium pricing model with three tiers:
Plus additional pricing options for educational institutions and businesses |
Features |
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Usability Apple support app mac. | Much of a muchness: of these two, Mac users will probably prefer Logic Pro; Windows users can only use Pro Tools; both will require a similar learning curve | |
Conclusion | Good for professional music producers with an affinity for Macs | Good for hobbyists, professionals, and everything in between, regardless of operating system |
Final Camparison: Logic Pro or Pro Tools?
Both Logic Pro and Pro Tools are essentially as good as it gets when it comes to DAWs and producing music on a computer.
The automation, the plugins, the usability… all completely on a par with each other. That’s why so many hits today are created on one or the other.
If you’re a total newbie, I’d recommend starting with Pro Tools. If you already have a Windows computer, you don’t have to buy a whole new machine, and, you can start yourself off with the free version so you can get a feel for digital music production, its processes, and its terminology. You can keep upgrading as you need, or as you can afford.
Have fun!